"A bunch of the other stuff that I've cared about like what [Oracle has] done with some of the identity management software, I sort of go back and forth on that and either give them an F quadruple minus or an A, because in that case the OpenAM OpenDJ OpenIDM suite of things that Sun had open sourced have acquired a second life among the open source community and are doing fabulously well. And they're mostly doing fabulously well because Oracle tried to knife them. And they did the same sort of thing with Hudson. Their behavior around Hudson was just like deplorable. But then Hudson now has a second life as Jenkins and it's doing fabulously well. So that's done nicely."