SAM
If you're at all progressive, what issue could push you towards Hillary over Bernie? I just don't understand supporting her at this stage. .
If my state's primary mattered, and if I felt that Hillary was much more likely to beat the Republican nominee, I might vote for her. She's also better-versed in foreign policy, which is an important consideration, even if I disagree with a lot of her worldview. Also, it is long past time for the US to elect a woman as president, so it would be reasonable to vote for her on that basis. ‎- John B.
Planned Parenthood endorsed Hillary. I'm not sure what that's about as I haven't looked into Sanders' record on women's reproductive issues. I was actually taken a bit aback by that endorsement. As John points out, Hillary is very experienced. However, the difference in platform and approach are stark and I do find it hard to understand why some progressives are so strongly for her. ‎- Spidra Webster
I have really appreciated Hillary for more than a decade now. See 2007 (http://blog.louisgray.com/2007/01/dont-blame-me-im-rooting-fo...) for starters. I think she is best qualified and has the most direct experience, by far, of any candidate to be president. Secretary of State is no joke. Her health care work was challenging. She's been a senator and been side by side with Bilf through everything. ‎- louisgray
On an issue by issue basis, I come out about even on Hillary and Bernie, but when it comes to actually being president, it's a very fast call. Like Bernie, Love Hillary. ‎- louisgray
One of the most cogent reasons on the heavy politics side I've heard from my friends who still work on campaign stuff is that she, like her husband, works really hard to support candidates down ticket as well as some of the larger organizations (like Emily's List and Planned Parenthood.) That includes sharing campaign funds, staff, and other resources where they're needed most. That gets you a lot of good will at the local level, and takes a lot of time and effort. ‎- Jennifer D.
I'm along the lines of what Louis said. Also, here's someone's personal explanation of black community voters' inclination to support Clinton - I found it quite insightful. https://np.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/472fj6/why_i... ‎- Micah
Seen from Norway (far far away, with a very limited grasp on US realpolitik), I would have guessed that lefties voted for Sanders and centrists voted for Hillary. But I see that people use other arguments besides political views when arguing for candidates in the US. ‎- Eivind
@eivind Your assumption is pretty accurate, but there are also voting tendencies that follow demographic rather than purely ideological lines. ‎- John B.
@ellofizgherard The second link is one of the reasons I'm a bit wary of Clinton on foreign policy matters. A lot of US politicians, Clinton included, are too quick to intervene militarily without a clear plan for what happens next or what to do if things don't go according to plan. ‎- John B.
LOUIS FUCKING GRAY ON MOKUM! I love this world. Hi, Louis. ‎- SAM
I really strived to get folks to point to actual issue stances that made a substantive difference between the candidates on FB. Cause that was my real interest. There are many political considerations that I can totally get for supporting her, that you guys mentioned above. The only real policy difference seems to be the record on gun control. As Bernie is from a rural state he's only received a D- from the NRA but has really not been very staunch on the issue. On women's rights they line up equally ideologically, but Hillary has championed many more initiatives in that area, thus the Planned Parent hood endorsement. I would actually give progressive points to Bernie for foreign policy, but Hillary obviously is bringing a lot of experience to the table there that may outweigh it for some. ‎- SAM
Micah, did you see this perspective on Bernie's work for civil rights: https://t.co/8TgwFXtrqN ‎- SAM
When it became apparent that Hillary would be *the* nominee (well before Sanders appeared), I trred desperately to think of something that she and I agreed on, which only led me to remember why I didn't support her in 2008: because I don't trust her. I think she's telling the voters whatever she has to, just to be president, and there's a word for that: Nixonian. People follow candidates for many reasons; I, being something of a socialist as well as a misanthrope, dig deep into a candidates words and actions and tend to give these more weight than a candidate's following. (It's a curse of being a nerd: you learn to preclude the asshole fans around you and love what you love, or you'd find yourself never loving anything.) Being a political geek as well, I've been paying attention to Bernie for at least a decade, and I've been following Hillary's ascent since well before her husband was impeached. It's safe to say that I've never been a fan of neoliberalism, which I've always seen as a good way to get people elected but a poor excuse to actually advance liberal causes. So I am not impressed by Hillary's averred experience, because I am well aware of her experience in, for instance, obtaining fracking rights on behalf of Chevron or helping to overthrow the Honduran government while in her role of Obama's SecState,while relegating the concerns of the poor to that of a lesser status. In the words of Trevanian: "You can gain experience, if you are careful to avoid empty redundancy. Do not fall into the error of the artisan who boasts of twenty years experience in craft while in fact he has had only one year of experience–twenty times. And never resent the advantage of experience your elders have. Recall that they have paid for this experience in the coin of life, and have emptied a purse that cannot be refilled." Which explains why I voted for Jill Stein in 2012, I guess. ‎- Steven Perez
This is me liking your comment, Steven. :) I feel much the same. ‎- SAM
Same here, Steven. Same here. ‎- Hookuh Tinypants
If I go to the polls and Bernie isn't on the ballot, I will vote for whatever Democrat is, even if it is Hillary. One of the reasons Bernie is running as a Democrat and not as an independent is because he doesn't want to be "that guy" that takes votes away from a Democrat, causing a Republican to win. And as much as I love Bernie, he would never have had my support at all if he had decided to be "that guy". ‎- April
if trump won the republican primaries would this change your perspective on clinton-sanders? ‎- mentegatto
(seen from outside US: the experience that Clinton brings about foreign policy is quite scary. From that point of view I prefer Trump over Clinton, at least he is aggressive toward mexico and not a random middle eastern country uncomfortably close to my home) ‎- dasnake
Hi SAM. Keep in mind I go to wherever all of you are. ‎- louisgray
@dasnake Given that Trump has been exploiting anti-Muslim xenophobia as much as anti-Mexican xenophobia, I think it's quite likely that he would start new wars or expand existing ones in the Middle East. ‎- John B.
Trump runs on insulting people so he may even start wars he didn't intend to simply because he's so utterly lacking in diplomatic skills. ‎- Spidra Webster
What John B said. Down here it's not about voting for an actual representative of your politics, it's about managing the damage of the conservative fuckwads you're surrounded by as best you can. ‎- t-ra

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